Template:Talk quote block

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Use {{Talk quote block}}, {{tqb}}, or {{tq2}} to quote (another's comments, a policy statement, etc.) in a block, on talk pages and noticeboards. It can be safely used after colon-indenting as well (see the § Indenting example below (§ Caveats). For a short inline quote, instead use {{Talk quote inline}}.

Usage

Unnamed (positional) parameters:

  • {{Talk quote block|text|by}}
    • The order of positional parameters cannot change - text must come before by.

Named parameters:

Parameters

  • |text= (or |1=): The text being quoted.
  • |by= (or |2=): The author of the text being quoted. A Wikipedia username is expected, and the username will be provided as a wikilink to the author's user page.
  • |source=: The source of the text being quoted. Use instead of |by= when source is not individual user name, or when copy-pasting an entire sig.
  • |ts=: The timestamp of the edit whose text is being quoted. Hint: You can use five tildes to supply the current date and time: |ts=~~~~~.
  • |id=: The ID of the comment that will be used in a link to it if the |ts= parameter is also present. You can copy it by right-clicking the timestamp.
  • |oldid=: The revision ID of the edit introducing the change that was made. Displayed as the timestamp linking to the diff of the edit. (requires |ts= or is not shown).
  • |diff=: The link to the diff comparing target.
  • |style=: additional CSS styles for <blockquote>. See the testcases for examples.
  • |nodash=y or |no-dash=y: Suppresses the em dash and space before |source=, for when pasting a sig that already starts with a dash.
  • |noping=y or |no-ping=y: Suppresses the link to the author to avoid notifying them.

end braces

When quoting block content, such as a list, the closing end }} of the template must be on a new line otherwise a lint error is generated.

Examples

Note: |ts= must be present for |oldid= link to show.

Suggested boilerplate

{{Talk quote block|1=<nowiki/>
|source=}}
{{Talk quote block|1=<nowiki/>
|by=|ts=|id=}}
{{Talk quote block|1=<nowiki/>
|by=|ts=|oldid=}}

Indenting

The template works with standard talk page indentation, as the following example illustrates. The content of the indented template must be a single span or block of text; including markup or templates that generate lists or div-based block-level tags may cause syntax errors and undesirable formatting. This wiki-markup:

Random paragraph of text. [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 09:20, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
:Opening statement by [[User:Example2|Some other user]].
:{{talk quote block|Quoting an item from random paragraph.}}
:Response to quoted text. [[User:Example2|Some other user]] ([[User talk:Example2|talk]]) ~~~~~

Displays the following:

Random paragraph of text. Example (talk) 09:20, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Opening statement by Some other user.

Quoting an item from random paragraph.

Response to quoted text. Some other user (talk) 09:26, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Indented multi-line quote

To create an indented multi-line quote (such as within a a reply on a talk page), use {{paragraph break}} (aka {{pb}}), but do not use manual line breaks (as this will break the markup) or <br /> (as this is bad for accessibility). Refer to the following example:

Random paragraph of text. [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 09:20, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
:Opening statement by [[User:Example2|Some other user]].
:{{talk quote block|Quoting an item from random paragraph. {{pb}} Including a second line.}}
:Response to quoted text. [[User:Example2|Some other user]] ([[User talk:Example2|talk]]) ~~~~~

Displays the following:

Random paragraph of text. Example (talk) 09:20, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Opening statement by Some other user.

Quoting an item from random paragraph.

Including a second line.

Response to quoted text. Some other user (talk) 09:26, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Quoting lists

If the text you are quoting is a bulleted or numbered list, the first list item must start on a new line, or it won't be rendered properly. For example:

Wiki-markup Output
Wrong way
{{talk quote block|* Item one
* Item two
}}
First item isn't bulleted correctly:

* Item one

  • Item two
Right way
{{talk quote block|
* Item one
* Item two
}}
All items are bulleted correctly:
  • Item one
  • Item two

If you are using the |text= named parameter (as opposed to simply supplying your list as the first parameter) please add the following code: <nowiki /> after the = sign. The reason is that the MediaWiki parser automatically removes line breaks at the start of the text, causing the list to be displayed improperly otherwise. Example:

Wiki-markup Output
Wrong way
{{talk quote block|text=
# Item one
# Item two
}}
First item isn't numbered correctly:

# Item one

  1. Item two
Right way
{{talk quote block|text=<nowiki />
# Item one
# Item two
}}
All items are numbered correctly:
  1. Item one
  2. Item two

Caveats

Complex formatting compatibility

Check § Quoting, and Help:Table § Nested tables (for nesting demo).

Quoted URLs with query strings break the template

{{Talk quote block|This here diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:IamNotU/sandbox&diff=904787385&oldid=904785977}}

When your template arguments contain an equals sign, you can't use implicit positional parameters because everything preceding the first equals sign gets parsed as the parameter name. The trick, in those situations, is to make the assignment explicit, so that your entire argument is unambiguously parsed as the value being assigned to that parameter.

{{Talk quote block|1=This here diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:IamNotU/sandbox&diff=904787385&oldid=904785977}}

This here diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:IamNotU/sandbox&diff=904787385&oldid=904785977

Writing the transclusion as {{Talk quote block|1=...}} puts the entire URL on the right-hand side of an assignment to the first unnamed parameter, rather than it being parsed as a template parameter named This here diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title that's being assigned the value User:IamNotU/sandbox&diff=904787385&oldid=904785977.

Due to MediaWiki's parsing limitations, embedding such templates into a list (using the leading */#/;/: syntax) is very likely to lead to unexpected results (for it regards the newline as the syntax delimiter Help:List §§ Common mistakes, and Paragraphs and other breaks).

Play nice with ordered and unordered lists

{{Lorem ipsum}}
{{Talk quote block|source=Talk quote block|text=<nowiki/>
# Item one
# Item two
}}

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

  1. Item one
  2. Item two
    — Talk quote block
<dl><dd>{{Talk quote block|1=<nowiki/>
# Item one
# Item two|source={{tlx|Talk quote block}}}}</dd></dl>
  1. Item one
  2. Item two
    — {{Talk quote block}}

TemplateData

This is the TemplateData for this template used by TemplateWizard, VisualEditor and other tools. See a monthly parameter usage report for Template:Talk quote block in articles based on its TemplateData.

TemplateData for Talk quote block

Formats quoted text (from another's comments, a policy statement, etc.) in a block, for use on talk pages and noticeboards.

Template parameters[Edit template data]

ParameterDescriptionTypeStatus
texttext 1

The text being quoted.

Contentrequired
byby 2

The author of the text being quoted.

Usersuggested
sourcesource

The source of the text being quoted. Use instead of "by" when the source is not an individual user name, or when copy-pasting an entire signature.

Lineoptional
No dash?nodash no-dash

Suppresses the em dash and space before source, for when pasting a signature that already starts with a dash.

Booleanoptional
Timestampts

The timestamp of the edit whose text is being quoted.

Suggested values
~~~~~
Unknownsuggested
IDid

The ID of the comment that will be used in a link to it if the ts parameter is also present. You can copy it by right-clicking the timestamp.

Stringoptional
Revision IDoldid

The revision ID of the edit introducing the change that was made. Displayed as the timestamp linking to the Diff of the edit. (requires ts parameter or is not shown)

Numberoptional
diffdiff

The link to the diff comparing target.

Numberoptional
stylestyle

HTML in-line style.

Unknownoptional
No ping?noping no-ping

Suppresses the link to the author to avoid notifying them.

Booleanoptional

See also

Template:Talk quote block invokes Module:Navbox using Lua.

Usage

This template can be used to make a standard navigation box. It is intended for use within another template that standardises the title and contents of the box (see Template:ShipNavbox). This template SHOULD NOT be used directly within articles, as it creates a maintenance burden to do so whenever the contents of the box have to be updated.

The purpose of this template is to standardise the attributes of all navigation boxes, for example, their colours and other CSS attributes. The template is fairly simple, and could be extended to add other features in the future. Using this template allows changes to be implemented much quicker and easier than editing each template separately.

Syntax

{{navbox
|state      = uncollapsed, collapsed, plain, autocollapse (default)
|name       = mandatory - name of the template
|style      = optional - style for the whole table
|title      = mandatory - navbox header
|gtitleN    = optional - title of N-th group of items
|styleN     = optional - style for groupN; i.e. text-align
|groupN     = mandatory - list of groups of items
|fstyle     = optional - style for footer ; i.e. text-align
|footer     = optional - navbox footer
}}
  • Groups: Currently there is no technical limit to the maximum number of groups.
    • Groups of items can be added as parameters: group1, group2, group3, ... up to groupN.
  • Group title: Each group has its own title parameter: gtitle1, gtitle2, gtitle3, ... up to gtitleN. Note that the default width for the first column is 15%.
  • Group style: Style may also be customised to each group in: style1, style2, style3, ... up to styleN.
    • Note that neither the title nor the items have any wiki-links built into the template. As a result, users of the template are free to use wiki-links as they wish.
  • Line breaks: Line-breaks (<br />) are unnecessary, as text wrapping is done automatically by the template. This also includes links and text in gtitleN and groupN.
  • Bullets: Create unordered lists with lines beginning with *.
  • Pipe links: Because of the nature of template syntax, it may be necessary to use Template:! ({{!}}).

States

  • Autocollapse: By default, the state of a navbox is "autocollapsed". This means that if the number of navboxes in a page exceeds the maximum allocation of the collapsible navboxes, then the remaining navboxes are collapsed automatically. For more information (or to change the setting), see MediaWiki:Common.js.
    • Currently, the autocollapse allocation is 2 (see MediaWiki:Common.js). This means that if there are 3 navboxes in a page, the third and subsequent navboxes will be collapsed automatically.
  • Uncollapsed: Forces the navbox to be displayed.
    • All of the navboxes in this documentation are in the uncollapsed state.
  • Collapsed: The reverse of uncollapsed. Forces the navbox to be hidden instead.
    • Navboxes with a height of more than 300 pixels will also be collapsed automatically. For more information (or to change the setting), see MediaWiki:Common.js.
  • Plain: Removes the "show/hide" link.

Sub-groups

  • For larger navboxes, it may be necessary to include sub-groups within a particular group of items. It is also possible to collapsible navboxes within the parent navbox, see Collapsible sub-groups.
  • To create sub-groups within {{navbox}}, certain parameters are to be included:
    • The parent navbox group (i.e. group2 in the example below) requires the type parameter (gtype2 = Subgroup).
    • The nested navbox (sub-group) requires the inclusion of the sub-group parameter (subgroup = yes). This enables the template to differentiate between the sub-group and the parent navbox.
{{navbox
|name    =
|title   =
|gtitle1 =
|group1  =
|gtitle2 =  
|gtype2  = Subgroup (mandatory)
|group2  = 
  {{navbox
  |subgroup = yes (mandatory)
  |gtitle1  = 
  |group1   =
  |gtitle2  = 
  |group2   = 
  }}
}}

Collapsible sub-groups

  • For extremely long navboxes, it is recommended to use collapsible navboxes within the parent navbox. Further sub-groups can then be added to these collapsible navboxes.
  • To create collapsible sub-groups within {{navbox}}, these parameters need to be included:
    • The parent navbox is almost always uncollapsed (state=uncollapsed).
    • The parent navbox group (i.e. group1 in the example below) requires the type parameter (gtype1 = Subgroup).
    • The nested collapsible navbox requires the inclusion of the collapsible parameter (collapsible = yes). This enables the template to differentiate between the collapsible navbox and the parent navbox.
    • The nested collapsible navbox is forcefully collapsed (state=collapsed).
{{navbox
|state  = uncollapsed
|name   = 
|gtype1 = Subgroup
|group1 = 
  {{navbox
  |collapsible = yes
  |state   = collapsed
  |title   = 
  |gtitle1 = 
  |group1  = 
  |gtitle2 = 
  |group2  = 
  }}
}}

Use of images

  • The use of images in navboxes is permitted, but please resize the images to keep them small. Inventory-sized images (25-30 pixels) are recommended.
  • Please use {{t|plink}} to create links with images. Use {{t|plink}} for any case where text is not desired after the link. It functions the same as {{t|plink}}, but it does not produce a wikilink in text. Use {{t|chatl}} to link chatheads. These templates create links for both the image and text (except for {{t|plink}}) using far less wikicode than the standard syntax.

Link and file share the same name

{{plink|Item}}

File name differs from the link

{{plink|Item|File}}

Link and file share the same name, but different text is desired to display

{{plink|Item|alt=Text}}

File name differs from the link and different text is desired to display

{{plink|Item|File|alt=Text}}

Categorising

Navboxes are very useful for transcluding categories onto a large number of pages that share both a trait and the navigation box. For example: Template:ShipNavbox transcludes Category:Ships onto every page that uses it.

There are 2 methods of categorising pages with navboxes:

The first way is with {{t|Ctg}}. This is the preferred method, and can be used in most cases. The rules and operations for the Category handler template are very simple; however, they are enough to produce the desired results on most pages.

Categorisation should only be used on a template for large-scale addition. It is unhelpful, for example, to use a rule that only applies to 1 page.

Examples

To see the following navboxes in action, see Template:Navbox.

Single line navbox with centered list

{{navbox
|name    = 
|title   = 
|style1  = text-align:center
|group1  =
}}
{{navbox
|name    = 
|title   = 
|gtitle1 = 
|group1  = 
|footer  = Centered footer
}}
{{navbox
|name    = 
|title   = 
|gtitle1 = 
|group1  = 
|fstyle  = text-align:right
|footer  = Right-aligned footer
}}

Multiple line navbox

{{navbox
|name    = 
|title   = 
|gtitle1 = Group title 1
|group1  = 
|gtitle2 = Group title 2
|group2  = 
|gtitle3 = Group title 3
|group3  = 
}}

Collapsed navbox

{{navbox
|state   = collapsed
|name    = 
|title   = 
|style1  = text-align:center
|group1  = 
}}

Plain navbox with Tnavbar

{{navbox
|state   = plain
|name    = 
|title   = 
|style1  = text-align:center
|group1  = 
}}

Plain navbox without Tnavbar

{{navbox
|state   = plain
|title   = 
|style1  = text-align:center
|group1  = 
}}

Complicated navbox

{{navbox
|state   = uncollapsed
|name    = 
|title   = 
|gtitle1 = Level 1 Title 1
|group1  = 
|gtitle2 = Level 1 Title 2
|group2  = 
|gtitle3 = Level 1 Title 3
|group3  = 
|gtitle4 = Level 1 Title 4
|group4  = 
|gtitle5 = Level 1 Title 5
|gtype5  = Subgroup
|group5  = 
  {{navbox
  |subgroup = Yes
  |gtitle1  = Level 2 Title 1
  |group1   =
  |gtitle2  = Level 2 Title 2
  |group2   =
  |gtitle3  = Level 2 Title 3
  |gtype3   = Subgroup
  |group3   = 
    {{navbox
    |subgroup = Yes
    |gtitle1  = Level 3 Title 1
    |group1   =
    |gtitle2  = Level 3 Title 2
    |group2   =
    }}
  |gtitle4  = Level 2 Title 4
  |group4   = 
  }}
|gtitle6 = Level 1 Title 6
|group6  = 
|gtitle7 = Level 1 Title 7
|group7  = 
|fstyle  = 
|footer  = 
}}

Preventing unwanted documentation

The Navbox template's documentation is automatically transcluded under the navbox on any Template namespace page. It is not transcluded when used as a sub-group or collapsible sub-group template (subgroup= yes or collapsible=yes).

Should the documentation appear when it is unwanted, it can be hidden by setting the doc parameter doc=no on the template. In most cases, the doc parameter is NOT used and the parameter is removed completely.


Template:Talk quote block invokes Module:Navbox using Lua.

Usage

This template can be used to make a standard navigation box. It is intended for use within another template that standardises the title and contents of the box (see Template:ShipNavbox). This template SHOULD NOT be used directly within articles, as it creates a maintenance burden to do so whenever the contents of the box have to be updated.

The purpose of this template is to standardise the attributes of all navigation boxes, for example, their colours and other CSS attributes. The template is fairly simple, and could be extended to add other features in the future. Using this template allows changes to be implemented much quicker and easier than editing each template separately.

Syntax

{{navbox
|state      = uncollapsed, collapsed, plain, autocollapse (default)
|name       = mandatory - name of the template
|style      = optional - style for the whole table
|title      = mandatory - navbox header
|gtitleN    = optional - title of N-th group of items
|styleN     = optional - style for groupN; i.e. text-align
|groupN     = mandatory - list of groups of items
|fstyle     = optional - style for footer ; i.e. text-align
|footer     = optional - navbox footer
}}
  • Groups: Currently there is no technical limit to the maximum number of groups.
    • Groups of items can be added as parameters: group1, group2, group3, ... up to groupN.
  • Group title: Each group has its own title parameter: gtitle1, gtitle2, gtitle3, ... up to gtitleN. Note that the default width for the first column is 15%.
  • Group style: Style may also be customised to each group in: style1, style2, style3, ... up to styleN.
    • Note that neither the title nor the items have any wiki-links built into the template. As a result, users of the template are free to use wiki-links as they wish.
  • Line breaks: Line-breaks (<br />) are unnecessary, as text wrapping is done automatically by the template. This also includes links and text in gtitleN and groupN.
  • Bullets: Create unordered lists with lines beginning with *.
  • Pipe links: Because of the nature of template syntax, it may be necessary to use Template:! ({{!}}).

States

  • Autocollapse: By default, the state of a navbox is "autocollapsed". This means that if the number of navboxes in a page exceeds the maximum allocation of the collapsible navboxes, then the remaining navboxes are collapsed automatically. For more information (or to change the setting), see MediaWiki:Common.js.
    • Currently, the autocollapse allocation is 2 (see MediaWiki:Common.js). This means that if there are 3 navboxes in a page, the third and subsequent navboxes will be collapsed automatically.
  • Uncollapsed: Forces the navbox to be displayed.
    • All of the navboxes in this documentation are in the uncollapsed state.
  • Collapsed: The reverse of uncollapsed. Forces the navbox to be hidden instead.
    • Navboxes with a height of more than 300 pixels will also be collapsed automatically. For more information (or to change the setting), see MediaWiki:Common.js.
  • Plain: Removes the "show/hide" link.

Sub-groups

  • For larger navboxes, it may be necessary to include sub-groups within a particular group of items. It is also possible to collapsible navboxes within the parent navbox, see Collapsible sub-groups.
  • To create sub-groups within {{navbox}}, certain parameters are to be included:
    • The parent navbox group (i.e. group2 in the example below) requires the type parameter (gtype2 = Subgroup).
    • The nested navbox (sub-group) requires the inclusion of the sub-group parameter (subgroup = yes). This enables the template to differentiate between the sub-group and the parent navbox.
{{navbox
|name    =
|title   =
|gtitle1 =
|group1  =
|gtitle2 =  
|gtype2  = Subgroup (mandatory)
|group2  = 
  {{navbox
  |subgroup = yes (mandatory)
  |gtitle1  = 
  |group1   =
  |gtitle2  = 
  |group2   = 
  }}
}}

Collapsible sub-groups

  • For extremely long navboxes, it is recommended to use collapsible navboxes within the parent navbox. Further sub-groups can then be added to these collapsible navboxes.
  • To create collapsible sub-groups within {{navbox}}, these parameters need to be included:
    • The parent navbox is almost always uncollapsed (state=uncollapsed).
    • The parent navbox group (i.e. group1 in the example below) requires the type parameter (gtype1 = Subgroup).
    • The nested collapsible navbox requires the inclusion of the collapsible parameter (collapsible = yes). This enables the template to differentiate between the collapsible navbox and the parent navbox.
    • The nested collapsible navbox is forcefully collapsed (state=collapsed).
{{navbox
|state  = uncollapsed
|name   = 
|gtype1 = Subgroup
|group1 = 
  {{navbox
  |collapsible = yes
  |state   = collapsed
  |title   = 
  |gtitle1 = 
  |group1  = 
  |gtitle2 = 
  |group2  = 
  }}
}}

Use of images

  • The use of images in navboxes is permitted, but please resize the images to keep them small. Inventory-sized images (25-30 pixels) are recommended.
  • Please use {{t|plink}} to create links with images. Use {{t|plink}} for any case where text is not desired after the link. It functions the same as {{t|plink}}, but it does not produce a wikilink in text. Use {{t|chatl}} to link chatheads. These templates create links for both the image and text (except for {{t|plink}}) using far less wikicode than the standard syntax.

Link and file share the same name

{{plink|Item}}

File name differs from the link

{{plink|Item|File}}

Link and file share the same name, but different text is desired to display

{{plink|Item|alt=Text}}

File name differs from the link and different text is desired to display

{{plink|Item|File|alt=Text}}

Categorising

Navboxes are very useful for transcluding categories onto a large number of pages that share both a trait and the navigation box. For example: Template:ShipNavbox transcludes Category:Ships onto every page that uses it.

There are 2 methods of categorising pages with navboxes:

The first way is with {{t|Ctg}}. This is the preferred method, and can be used in most cases. The rules and operations for the Category handler template are very simple; however, they are enough to produce the desired results on most pages.

Categorisation should only be used on a template for large-scale addition. It is unhelpful, for example, to use a rule that only applies to 1 page.

Examples

To see the following navboxes in action, see Template:Navbox.

Single line navbox with centered list

{{navbox
|name    = 
|title   = 
|style1  = text-align:center
|group1  =
}}
{{navbox
|name    = 
|title   = 
|gtitle1 = 
|group1  = 
|footer  = Centered footer
}}
{{navbox
|name    = 
|title   = 
|gtitle1 = 
|group1  = 
|fstyle  = text-align:right
|footer  = Right-aligned footer
}}

Multiple line navbox

{{navbox
|name    = 
|title   = 
|gtitle1 = Group title 1
|group1  = 
|gtitle2 = Group title 2
|group2  = 
|gtitle3 = Group title 3
|group3  = 
}}

Collapsed navbox

{{navbox
|state   = collapsed
|name    = 
|title   = 
|style1  = text-align:center
|group1  = 
}}

Plain navbox with Tnavbar

{{navbox
|state   = plain
|name    = 
|title   = 
|style1  = text-align:center
|group1  = 
}}

Plain navbox without Tnavbar

{{navbox
|state   = plain
|title   = 
|style1  = text-align:center
|group1  = 
}}

Complicated navbox

{{navbox
|state   = uncollapsed
|name    = 
|title   = 
|gtitle1 = Level 1 Title 1
|group1  = 
|gtitle2 = Level 1 Title 2
|group2  = 
|gtitle3 = Level 1 Title 3
|group3  = 
|gtitle4 = Level 1 Title 4
|group4  = 
|gtitle5 = Level 1 Title 5
|gtype5  = Subgroup
|group5  = 
  {{navbox
  |subgroup = Yes
  |gtitle1  = Level 2 Title 1
  |group1   =
  |gtitle2  = Level 2 Title 2
  |group2   =
  |gtitle3  = Level 2 Title 3
  |gtype3   = Subgroup
  |group3   = 
    {{navbox
    |subgroup = Yes
    |gtitle1  = Level 3 Title 1
    |group1   =
    |gtitle2  = Level 3 Title 2
    |group2   =
    }}
  |gtitle4  = Level 2 Title 4
  |group4   = 
  }}
|gtitle6 = Level 1 Title 6
|group6  = 
|gtitle7 = Level 1 Title 7
|group7  = 
|fstyle  = 
|footer  = 
}}

Preventing unwanted documentation

The Navbox template's documentation is automatically transcluded under the navbox on any Template namespace page. It is not transcluded when used as a sub-group or collapsible sub-group template (subgroup= yes or collapsible=yes).

Should the documentation appear when it is unwanted, it can be hidden by setting the doc parameter doc=no on the template. In most cases, the doc parameter is NOT used and the parameter is removed completely.