Combat Logging - Revision history

Fandom>Clockpuncher at 00:15, 2 April 2021

2021-04-02T00:15:06Z

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	==Definition==		==Definition==
	{{Quote\|To clarify: the official stance on exiting the game via the menu, at any point, is that it is legitimate. I suspect at some point we may increase the "in danger" countdown, but for now you just have to wait fifteen seconds. However, we can't speak for how other Commanders view such actions. For the record, when we talk about "combat logging" at Frontier, we mean the act of ungracefully exiting the game (either by ALT-F4 type procedures or by cutting the network traffic).\|Sandro Sammarco, May 17, 2016<ref name=":0">[https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/is-save-ing-still-a-legitimate-tactic-to-avoid-destruction.251428/page-9#post-3904116 Frontier Forums: Is "Save"ing still a legitimate tactic to avoid destruction ?, post #166]</ref>}}		{{Quote\|To clarify: the official stance on exiting the game via the menu, at any point, is that it is legitimate. I suspect at some point we may increase the "in danger" countdown, but for now you just have to wait fifteen seconds. However, we can't speak for how other Commanders view such actions. For the record, when we talk about "combat logging" at Frontier, we mean the act of ungracefully exiting the game (either by ALT-F4 type procedures or by cutting the network traffic).\|Sandro Sammarco, May 17, 2016<ref name=":0">[https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/is-save-ing-still-a-legitimate-tactic-to-avoid-destruction.251428/page-9#post-3904116 Frontier Forums: Is "Save"ing still a legitimate tactic to avoid destruction ?, post #166]</ref>}}

	Frontier Developments' official stance on combat logging by terminating the game application or the network connection is that it is an "undesirable exploit" that is "not part of the game", and therefore an offense that may be punished with a ban.<ref name="CLU" />		Frontier Developments' official stance on combat logging by terminating the game application or the network connection is that it is an "undesirable exploit" that is "not part of the game", and therefore an offense that may be punished with a ban.<ref name="CLU" />

	Exiting the game via the menu and waiting for the 15-second cooldown to elapse is always legitimate, and will not incur any penalty ~~according to FDev~~.<ref name=":0" />		Exiting the game normally via the menu and waiting for the 15-second cooldown to elapse is always legitimate in the eyes of Frontier Developments, and will not incur any penalty.<ref name=":0" />

	However, menu logging is still classed as Combat Logging by the community at large, and PVP organizations such as [https://blackwingsdojo.com/ Black Wings Dojo] require participants not only to agree to neither combat log nor menu log, but may look unfavourably on applicants who have committed or condoned either practice in the past. It's therefore a community recommendation that players don't exit the game during combat by any method if they choose to participate in Open play.

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Fandom>Aesica-SA: Updated notes on the legitimacy of combat logging to reflect the actual community stance. Was unable to add a reference as I am new to Fandom but have linked a supporting citation instead.

2021-04-01T13:16:20Z

Updated notes on the legitimacy of combat logging to reflect the actual community stance. Was unable to add a reference as I am new to Fandom but have linked a supporting citation instead.

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	Frontier Developments' official stance on combat logging by terminating the game application or the network connection is that it is an "undesirable exploit" that is "not part of the game", and therefore an offense that may be punished with a ban.<ref name="CLU" />		Frontier Developments' official stance on combat logging by terminating the game application or the network connection is that it is an "undesirable exploit" that is "not part of the game", and therefore an offense that may be punished with a ban.<ref name="CLU" />

	Exiting the game via the menu and waiting for the 15-second cooldown to elapse is always legitimate, and will not incur any penalty.<ref name=":0" />		Exiting the game via the menu and waiting for the 15-second cooldown to elapse is always legitimate, and will not incur any penalty according to FDev.<ref name=":0" />

			However, menu logging is still classed as Combat Logging by the community at large, and PVP organizations such as [https://blackwingsdojo.com/ Black Wings Dojo] require participants not only to agree to neither combat log nor menu log, but may look unfavourably on applicants who have committed or condoned either practice in the past. It's therefore a community recommendation that players don't exit the game during combat by any method if they choose to participate in Open play.

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	[[Category:Guides]]		[[Category:Guides]]

Fandom>Clockpuncher at 03:12, 17 January 2020

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	{{Quote\|For clarity's sake, "combat logging" is when a Commander ungracefully exits the game (e.g. using ALT + F4 then shutting down the game process) to avoid defeat, destruction and damage. Commanders might use this exploit the moment they are interdicted or the moment before they are about to be destroyed.\|[[Sandro Sammarco]], January 27, 2015<ref name="CLU">[https://web.archive.org/web/20150327065446/https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/?t=105778 Frontier Forums: "Combat Logging": Update (retrieved from Archive.org)]</ref>}}		{{Quote\|For clarity's sake, "combat logging" is when a Commander ungracefully exits the game (e.g. using ALT + F4 then shutting down the game process) to avoid defeat, destruction and damage. Commanders might use this exploit the moment they are interdicted or the moment before they are about to be destroyed.\|[[Sandro Sammarco]], January 27, 2015<ref name="CLU">[https://web.archive.org/web/20150327065446/https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/?t=105778 Frontier Forums: "Combat Logging": Update (retrieved from Archive.org)]</ref>}}
	'''Combat Logging''' is the act of logging off or exiting a session of ''[[Elite Dangerous]]'' during ship-to-ship combat, either PvE or PvP, in an illegitimate way in order to prevent an undesirable update to player save data. Combat logging is most often done to avoid death during combat due to [[insurance costs]], but it is also used to avoid incurring fines and bounties during activities such as [[smuggling]]~~. Some players may also combat log before imminent ship destruction~~ to avoid losing ~~cargo considered~~ valuable ~~that cannot be re-bought, such as~~ [[~~rare~~ commodities]] ~~that can only be discovered and not purchased~~. This exploit works because the game only saves player data when certain events occur, not continuously, and the player can interrupt the game before it saves by terminating the application or network connection. Players who witness or suspect combat logging can report the individual to [[Frontier Developments]] for review.		'''Combat Logging''' is the act of logging off or exiting a session of ''[[Elite Dangerous]]'' during ship-to-ship combat, either PvE or PvP, in an illegitimate way in order to prevent an undesirable update to player save data. Combat logging is most often done to avoid death during combat due to [[insurance costs]], but it is also used to avoid incurring fines and bounties during activities such as [[smuggling]], and to avoid losing valuable or difficult to obtain [[commodities]]. This exploit works because the game only saves player data when certain events occur, not continuously, and the player can interrupt the game before it saves by terminating the application or network connection. Players who witness or suspect combat logging can report the individual to [[Frontier Developments]] for review.

	==Definition==		==Definition==

2607:FEA8:68E0:CBCB:F9F0:7453:6F1B:DD82 at 01:15, 17 January 2020

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	{{Quote\|For clarity's sake, "combat logging" is when a Commander ungracefully exits the game (e.g. using ALT + F4 then shutting down the game process) to avoid defeat, destruction and damage. Commanders might use this exploit the moment they are interdicted or the moment before they are about to be destroyed.\|[[Sandro Sammarco]], January 27, 2015<ref name="CLU">[https://web.archive.org/web/20150327065446/https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/?t=105778 Frontier Forums: "Combat Logging": Update (retrieved from Archive.org)]</ref>}}		{{Quote\|For clarity's sake, "combat logging" is when a Commander ungracefully exits the game (e.g. using ALT + F4 then shutting down the game process) to avoid defeat, destruction and damage. Commanders might use this exploit the moment they are interdicted or the moment before they are about to be destroyed.\|[[Sandro Sammarco]], January 27, 2015<ref name="CLU">[https://web.archive.org/web/20150327065446/https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/?t=105778 Frontier Forums: "Combat Logging": Update (retrieved from Archive.org)]</ref>}}
	'''Combat Logging''' is the act of logging off or exiting a session of ''[[Elite Dangerous]]'' during ship-to-ship combat, either PvE or PvP, in an illegitimate way in order to prevent an undesirable update to player save data. Combat logging is most often done to avoid death during combat due to [[insurance costs]], but it is also used to avoid incurring fines and bounties during activities such as [[smuggling]]. This exploit works because the game only saves player data when certain events occur, not continuously, and the player can interrupt the game before it saves by terminating the application or network connection. Players who witness or suspect combat logging can report the individual to [[Frontier Developments]] for review.		'''Combat Logging''' is the act of logging off or exiting a session of ''[[Elite Dangerous]]'' during ship-to-ship combat, either PvE or PvP, in an illegitimate way in order to prevent an undesirable update to player save data. Combat logging is most often done to avoid death during combat due to [[insurance costs]], but it is also used to avoid incurring fines and bounties during activities such as [[smuggling]]. Some players may also combat log before imminent ship destruction to avoid losing cargo considered valuable that cannot be re-bought, such as [[rare commodities]] that can only be discovered and not purchased. This exploit works because the game only saves player data when certain events occur, not continuously, and the player can interrupt the game before it saves by terminating the application or network connection. Players who witness or suspect combat logging can report the individual to [[Frontier Developments]] for review.

	==Definition==		==Definition==

Fandom>Clockpuncher at 12:03, 16 January 2020

2020-01-16T12:03:35Z

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	{{Quote\|For clarity's sake, "combat logging" is when a Commander ungracefully exits the game (e.g. using ALT + F4 then shutting down the game process) to avoid defeat, destruction and damage. Commanders might use this exploit the moment they are interdicted or the moment before they are about to be destroyed.\|Sandro Sammarco<ref>[https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/105778~~-%E2%80%9CCombat-Logging%E2%80%9D-Update~~ Frontier Forums: "Combat Logging": Update]</ref>}}		{{Quote\|For clarity's sake, "combat logging" is when a Commander ungracefully exits the game (e.g. using ALT + F4 then shutting down the game process) to avoid defeat, destruction and damage. Commanders might use this exploit the moment they are interdicted or the moment before they are about to be destroyed.\|[[Sandro Sammarco]], January 27, 2015<ref name="CLU">[https://web.archive.org/web/20150327065446/https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/?t=105778 Frontier Forums: "Combat Logging": Update (retrieved from Archive.org)]</ref>}}
	'''Combat Logging''' is the act of ''logging off'' or ''exiting'' a session of ''[[Elite Dangerous]]'' during ship-to-ship combat in ~~a non graceful~~ way~~. Often times, players will generally terminate a game session when they feel discontent with their current situation~~ in ~~the hopes of restarting in a safer position~~. ~~Intentionally quitting~~ during ~~a tough situation is fairly common in gaming~~, ~~though~~ it is ~~widely frowned upon~~ and ~~considered unfair~~. ~~Many online games take measures to prevent this behavior~~, ~~such as possible penalties on~~ the player~~'s account~~ or ~~simply setting a delay countdown until~~ the ~~player is actually logged out~~.		'''Combat Logging''' is the act of logging off or exiting a session of ''[[Elite Dangerous]]'' during ship-to-ship combat, either PvE or PvP, in an illegitimate way in order to prevent an undesirable update to player save data. Combat logging is most often done to avoid death during combat due to [[insurance costs]], but it is also used to avoid incurring fines and bounties during activities such as [[smuggling]]. This exploit works because the game only saves player data when certain events occur, not continuously, and the player can interrupt the game before it saves by terminating the application or network connection. Players who witness or suspect combat logging can report the individual to [[Frontier Developments]] for review.

	~~Developer comment directly states~~ that ~~Combat Logging~~ is ~~officially not~~ a ~~bannable action~~.		==Definition==
			{{Quote\|To clarify: the official stance on exiting the game via the menu, at any point, is that it is legitimate. I suspect at some point we may increase the "in danger" countdown, but for now you just have to wait fifteen seconds. However, we can't speak for how other Commanders view such actions. For the record, when we talk about "combat logging" at Frontier, we mean the act of ungracefully exiting the game (either by ALT-F4 type procedures or by cutting the network traffic).\|Sandro Sammarco, May 17, 2016<ref name=":0">[https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/is-save-ing-still-a-legitimate-tactic-to-avoid-destruction.251428/page-9#post-3904116 Frontier Forums: Is "Save"ing still a legitimate tactic to avoid destruction ?, post #166]</ref>}}

	Frontier Developments ~~have also claimed that they are working~~ on ~~a way to solve~~ the ~~issue, however, there hasn't been any kind~~ of ~~success or progress in~~ the ~~past years~~.		Frontier Developments' official stance on combat logging by terminating the game application or the network connection is that it is an "undesirable exploit" that is "not part of the game", and therefore an offense that may be punished with a ban.<ref name="CLU" />

	Exiting the game via the menu and waiting 15 ~~seconds is allowed.<ref name=":0" />~~		Exiting the game via the menu and waiting for the 15-second cooldown to elapse is always legitimate, and will not incur any penalty.<ref name=":0" />

	~~== Uses and Effects ==~~
	~~In Elite Dangerous, combat logging is most often done to avoid death (usually last~~-~~minute) during combat. Unfortunately, there is no safeguard~~ to ~~this exploit as of yet other than reporting the combat logger (if the attacker~~ is ~~not an NPC).~~
	* The most common instance of combat logging is likely when a commander is transporting valuable cargo and ~~confronted by a better-armed [[pirate]].~~
	* Similar acts of logging can also include non-combat situations, such as being scanned when [[smuggling]] without a means of stopping the scan.
	* Bounties that were on a wanted pilot ''will'' remain since the target will not ~~be destroyed if they had disconnected in time.~~

	~~== Developer Comments ==~~
	~~On 17 May 2016, [[Sandro Sammarco]] said: ''"To clarify: the official stance on exiting the game via the menu, at~~ any point, is that it is legitimate. I suspect at some point we may increase the "in danger" countdown, but for now you just have to wait fifteen seconds. However, we can't speak for how other Commanders view such actions."''<ref name=":0">https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/251428-Is-quot-Save-quot-ing-still-a-legitimate-tactic-to-avoid-destruction?p=3904116&viewfull=1#post3904116</ref>

	~~''"For the record, when we talk about "combat logging" at Frontier, we mean the act of ungracefully exiting the game (either by ALT-F4 type procedures or by cutting the network traffic)~~.~~"''~~<ref name=":0" />

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178.140.146.156: Clarified the 'official statement' on the matter. Before it said that it is bannable, in fact it is legitimate and dev comment says so.

2020-01-16T08:37:04Z

Clarified the 'official statement' on the matter. Before it said that it is bannable, in fact it is legitimate and dev comment says so.

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	'''Combat Logging''' is the act of ''logging off'' or ''exiting'' a session of ''[[Elite Dangerous]]'' during ship-to-ship combat in a non graceful way. Often times, players will generally terminate a game session when they feel discontent with their current situation in the hopes of restarting in a safer position. Intentionally quitting during a tough situation is fairly common in gaming, though it is widely frowned upon and considered unfair. Many online games take measures to prevent this behavior, such as possible penalties on the player's account or simply setting a delay countdown until the player is actually logged out.		'''Combat Logging''' is the act of ''logging off'' or ''exiting'' a session of ''[[Elite Dangerous]]'' during ship-to-ship combat in a non graceful way. Often times, players will generally terminate a game session when they feel discontent with their current situation in the hopes of restarting in a safer position. Intentionally quitting during a tough situation is fairly common in gaming, though it is widely frowned upon and considered unfair. Many online games take measures to prevent this behavior, such as possible penalties on the player's account or simply setting a delay countdown until the player is actually logged out.

	Combat Logging is officially a ~~banable~~ action ~~and will have consequences if done a significant amount of times~~.		Developer comment directly states that Combat Logging is officially not a bannable action.

	Frontier Developments have also claimed that they are working on a way to solve the issue, however, there hasn't been any kind of success or progress in the past years.		Frontier Developments have also claimed that they are working on a way to solve the issue, however, there hasn't been any kind of success or progress in the past years.
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Fandom>Clockpuncher: Undo revision 118701 by 201.26.61.204 (talk) Unexplained removal

2019-01-19T02:53:12Z

Undo revision 118701 by 201.26.61.204 (talk) Unexplained removal

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	Frontier Developments have also claimed that they are working on a way to solve the issue, however, there hasn't been any kind of success or progress in the past years.		Frontier Developments have also claimed that they are working on a way to solve the issue, however, there hasn't been any kind of success or progress in the past years.

	Exiting the game via the menu and waiting 15 seconds is allowed.<ref name=":0"~~>https:~~/~~/forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/251428-Is-quot-Save-quot-ing-still-a-legitimate-tactic-to-avoid-destruction?p=3904116&viewfull=1#post3904116</ref~~>		Exiting the game via the menu and waiting 15 seconds is allowed.<ref name=":0" />

	== Uses and Effects ==		== Uses and Effects ==
	== ==		In Elite Dangerous, combat logging is most often done to avoid death (usually last-minute) during combat. Unfortunately, there is no safeguard to this exploit as of yet other than reporting the combat logger (if the attacker is not an NPC).
			* The most common instance of combat logging is likely when a commander is transporting valuable cargo and confronted by a better-armed [[pirate]].
			* Similar acts of logging can also include non-combat situations, such as being scanned when [[smuggling]] without a means of stopping the scan.
			* Bounties that were on a wanted pilot ''will'' remain since the target will not be destroyed if they had disconnected in time.

			== Developer Comments ==
			On 17 May 2016, [[Sandro Sammarco]] said: ''"To clarify: the official stance on exiting the game via the menu, at any point, is that it is legitimate. I suspect at some point we may increase the "in danger" countdown, but for now you just have to wait fifteen seconds. However, we can't speak for how other Commanders view such actions."''<ref name=":0">https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/251428-Is-quot-Save-quot-ing-still-a-legitimate-tactic-to-avoid-destruction?p=3904116&viewfull=1#post3904116</ref>

			''"For the record, when we talk about "combat logging" at Frontier, we mean the act of ungracefully exiting the game (either by ALT-F4 type procedures or by cutting the network traffic)."''<ref name=":0" />

			== References ==
	<references/>		<references/>
	[[Category:Guides]]		[[Category:Guides]]

201.26.61.204: /* Uses and Effects */

2019-01-19T02:12:55Z

Uses and Effects

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	Frontier Developments have also claimed that they are working on a way to solve the issue, however, there hasn't been any kind of success or progress in the past years.		Frontier Developments have also claimed that they are working on a way to solve the issue, however, there hasn't been any kind of success or progress in the past years.

	Exiting the game via the menu and waiting 15 seconds is allowed.<ref name=":0" />		Exiting the game via the menu and waiting 15 seconds is allowed.<ref name=":0">https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/251428-Is-quot-Save-quot-ing-still-a-legitimate-tactic-to-avoid-destruction?p=3904116&viewfull=1#post3904116</ref>

	== Uses and Effects ==		== Uses and Effects ==
	In Elite Dangerous, combat logging is most often done to avoid death (usually last-minute) during combat. Unfortunately, there is no safeguard to this exploit as of yet other than reporting the combat logger (if the attacker is not an NPC).		== ==
	* The most common instance of combat logging is likely when a commander is transporting valuable cargo and confronted by a better-armed [[pirate]].
	* Similar acts of logging can also include non-combat situations, such as being scanned when [[smuggling]] without a means of stopping the scan.
	* Bounties that were on a wanted pilot ''will'' remain since the target will not be destroyed if they had disconnected in time.

	== ~~Developer Comments ==~~
	On 17 May 2016, [[Sandro Sammarco]] said: ''"To clarify: the official stance on exiting the game via the menu, at any point, is that it is legitimate. I suspect at some point we may increase the "in danger" countdown, but for now you just have to wait fifteen seconds. However, we can't speak for how other Commanders view such actions."''<ref name=":0">https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/251428-Is-quot-Save-quot-ing-still-a-legitimate-tactic-to-avoid-destruction?p=3904116&viewfull=1#post3904116</ref>

	''"For the record, when we talk about "combat logging" at Frontier, we mean the act of ungracefully exiting the game (either by ALT-F4 type procedures or by cutting the network traffic)."''<ref name=":0" />

	~~== References~~ ==
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	[[Category:Guides]]		[[Category:Guides]]

Fandom>Univero: Added info

2018-09-15T17:22:02Z

Added info

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	Frontier Developments have also claimed that they are working on a way to solve the issue, however, there hasn't been any kind of success or progress in the past years.		Frontier Developments have also claimed that they are working on a way to solve the issue, however, there hasn't been any kind of success or progress in the past years.

			Exiting the game via the menu and waiting 15 seconds is allowed.<ref name=":0" />

	== Uses and Effects ==		== Uses and Effects ==

Fandom>Univero: Added Developer Comment of Sandro Sammarco on 17 May 2016

2018-09-15T17:20:04Z

Added Developer Comment of Sandro Sammarco on 17 May 2016

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	* Similar acts of logging can also include non-combat situations, such as being scanned when [[smuggling]] without a means of stopping the scan.		* Similar acts of logging can also include non-combat situations, such as being scanned when [[smuggling]] without a means of stopping the scan.
	* Bounties that were on a wanted pilot ''will'' remain since the target will not be destroyed if they had disconnected in time.		* Bounties that were on a wanted pilot ''will'' remain since the target will not be destroyed if they had disconnected in time.

			== Developer Comments ==
			On 17 May 2016, [[Sandro Sammarco]] said: ''"To clarify: the official stance on exiting the game via the menu, at any point, is that it is legitimate. I suspect at some point we may increase the "in danger" countdown, but for now you just have to wait fifteen seconds. However, we can't speak for how other Commanders view such actions."''<ref name=":0">https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/251428-Is-quot-Save-quot-ing-still-a-legitimate-tactic-to-avoid-destruction?p=3904116&viewfull=1#post3904116</ref>

			''"For the record, when we talk about "combat logging" at Frontier, we mean the act of ungracefully exiting the game (either by ALT-F4 type procedures or by cutting the network traffic)."''<ref name=":0" />

	== References ==		== References ==
	<references/>		<references/>
	[[Category:Guides]]		[[Category:Guides]]